If somebody had told me in advance that getting my child into Beavers or Rainbows would be so difficult then I would have put their names down on the waiting lists when they were still twinkles in their daddy's eye. I reckon I could get them into Harvard before I'll get them within a sniff of a woggle.
When I was a child I always wanted to join the Brownies. I never got the opportunity to go as obviously my parents didn't really register that I was keen or they didn't care either way. Maybe it was lack of time or money, or both, I don't know, but I was always jealous of my friends trotting off in their little uniforms every week.
I wanted my children to experience being part of these groups - to make new friendships, to learn some new skills and most importantly have fun. My children are not joiners and it takes some effort to get them interested in an activity but both of them expressed a wish to join Beavers and Rainbows. In fact Beavers is the ONLY activity my son wants to do. I honestly didn't realise that there would be next to no chance of getting them into a group! I duly stuck them on the waiting lists, in what felt like good time, at least a year before the age they could join but it was to no avail.
My daughter is coming up to age 8 and obviously past the Rainbows age now and well into the Brownies age - have we ever heard from the groups re the waiting list? No, never! My son, aged 6, has been on the Beavers waiting list for over a year and a couple of months ago I was told that he'd have a place in September. Now it has become apparent this won't be happening due to the parent of another child (not on the waiting list) becoming a volunteer and therefore queue-jumping.
Yes, yes, I know I could do the same - I could volunteer and do the same same level of queue-jumping but I am time-short at the moment (which is clear from the severe abandonment of my blog). I work, I volunteer at school, the children have various other activities after school and if I volunteered at Beavers then I'd have a childcare issue. Or I'd have to drag along my daughter who would NOT be happy about it. In an ideal world I'd love to volunteer but I'm juggling so many other things, and badly, that I fear it would be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I understand that there are massive waiting lists up and down the country due to a shortage of adult helpers but I can't help feeling sad that my children are going to miss out on this experience and am kicking myself that I never put their names down sooner, but honestly, I was meant to be thinking about Beavers when he was 2 years old? Really? I was still in a blurry sleep-deprived haze back in those days and after school activities wasn't something I had even thought about.
We remain on the waiting list and will be on the wait list for Cubs in two years time, by which time I'm pretty sure we will have found other activities to fill the time with anyhow.
Are there any other groups like Beavers/Cubs that I am missing? My children aren't particularly sporty and have no interest in joining a specific sporting activity, but there must be something else out there for them?
I bet Chief Scout Bear Gyrlls doesn't have this problem.


Your daughter might love being dragged along. Girls go too here.
ReplyDeleteBoy Brigade or the junior section of St John's Ambulance? I hope he's on the cub waiting list now...
ReplyDeleteGirls go here too but she is SO not interested, just not her thing. She's even lost interest in wanting to go to Brownies.
ReplyDeleteThanks, will have a look. If they don't get a place at Beavers, they go on the wait list for Cubs but obviously priority goes to those already in Beavers and siblings, family members of leaders etc so it's likely he may not get a space there either.
ReplyDeleteWhat a shame - I was in the Brownies, Guides and Rangers and loved it so much that when I was 18 I trained as a guider and helped with my local Rainbows group. Unfortunately I don't have time any more and now I work in the City, can't even get to a Brownie group in time as I'm usually still in the office! I'd heard there were a shortage of leaders and long waiting lists of children to join. In some cases if there are long enough waiting lists some areas might start a whole new group, but that needs leaders - can you maybe speak to parents at your child's school and see if anyone is willing? Or write to your local paper and see if they can start a campaign? As for the other suggestions there are also things like Sea Cadets (even if you're not near the sea!) and I hear St. John's ambulance is good, I had a friend when I was a child who was in that.
ReplyDeleteThat's a shame. I've been a Guide leader for 19 years now and have been helping at Rainbows for 1.5 years so my daughters could get in. They won't queue jump though. I help because I have the time, a babysitter, and if I wasn't there, the unit couldn't open because the leader isn't qualified yet. All units in the area are heavily oversubscribed, and we have 5 year olds on our Guide list, even though they can't get in until they are 10. Nationally, volunteer adult shortages mean that there are 50,000 girls waiting to join. I know you can't volunteer as your plate is definitely full, but it's a shame that your son has been passed over for someone not on the list.
ReplyDeleteWith regards to your daughter, Guiding has had a pretty rubbish update of the waiting list system. Some data has been lost, so it might be worth going back to the unit and asking about her place - and get her on the Guide list!
To be honest with you I would discuss exactly what you wrote here (the way you feel) with those responsible for waiting lists. Its seems unfair to me, you did exactly what you were told to do and they promised that he will have a place in September it is a verbal agreement..
ReplyDeleteThat ia such a shame :-(
ReplyDeleteI think we are all so time stretched these days so don't beat yourself up for not volunteering.
Aww that is such a shame....
ReplyDeleteI would never of thought there would be waiting lists...
Hope you find something for them!
We waited eighteen months to get our eldest into Beavers and both my husband and I volunteer for all the scout sections so we definitely didn't queue jump here. There is a shortage of adult helpers nationwide in some places especially at beaver and rainbow age because the ratios are much lower. The units (group) is much smaller at this age than at the next level so you are likely to find that cubs and brownies are bigger unit/ group and therefore likely to have less of a waiting list, hope that makes sense!
ReplyDeleteIts a shame the waiting lists are so long. My son did get into beavers but was not allowed to stay due to his special needs. I actually thought the idea of cubs and beavers was to promote adventure for all. He was really upset when he was not allowed to go back. We are looking at cadets now as he is old enough
ReplyDeleteWe put Tops down on the list when she was five. She's nine now and again we heard nothing from any of the groups. In a way I was pleased because we couldn't afford it (we would have found a way) but we again wanted this for her as we didn't have it growing up ourselves.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I should have a quick word with the local Guides group though...
I was an Asst Beaver Leader, I'm now a Cub Leader. As you say, places are short due to lack of adult volunteers. In fact I only went to Cubs as they had no leader and would have closed otherwise. It's sad. I wish more adults (not just parents) would realise that it isn't hard work and in fact a fun way to spend an evening.
ReplyDeleteIn my Group we have many children with specialist needs in all respects. It is not a Organisational wide problem. I would like to say sorry that you did not have the experience your child deserved.
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